Mockingbird.

[PHOSPHOTiDYL]

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;//[mockingbirdstation700][unheadered base patch]
;//[mockingbirdmappatch][genericmap/doorbitz/elevatorbitz/nospacejumpequip]
;//[mockingbirdtitlepatch][better title gfx][it's a decent hack, so lets have a decent title screen]
;//[mockingbirdsaveloadpatch][skipintrosaveswork/scyzersaveload]

Idk for your next journey into misery.

Golden dawn is next, something like five saves.

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;//[1.]
[7D104]***(first room in tetraruins from darkgardens, available b4/after bombtorizo)

;//[2.]
[7B167]*****(unused save, 7B026 is a refill room many rooms b4, 7B035 is a refill two rooms rite)

;//[3.]
[7A7DE]*(available early & after crocomire)

;//[4.]
[79AD9/7968F]**(end of the very long path in the eternalhall)

;//[5.]
[7DDC4]****(right before Draygon, a long empty hall)

In the general area, no tiles edited, no items moved, just dropping by with some regenerators.

[Jordan5]

Maybe even pantheon

I don't remember pantheon ever needing more saves, or using savestates.

[Aran;Jaeger]

Having a map of Golden Dawn, having done route preparations for a TAS of it, remembering a lot of rooms and progression order pretty well and having the hack opened in SMILE currently, I would suggest the following rooms as suitable for adding save stations into them:
1. 7A1D8 (in Brinstar, before Bomb Torizo, at around 2/3 point into the first loop).
2. 7B026 (a bit early into the Crocomire loop which is the 3rd loop, with the 2nd loop being the loop for Highjump)
And this could be a bonus location for a savestation, but otherwise, the next location a bit further into the Crocomire loop should be more suitable:
3. 7B305
Then there'd be 2 similarly useful locations for the next savestation:
4. 79C89
5. 79C35
As next room, a suggestion would be:
6. 79FE5 (it has some flying bugs in it though)
And if that room isn't used, the next best one should be:
7. 7968F (right before Spore Spawn to which the Crocomire loop continues)
And if this one isn't used, there would be the first room in Wrecked Ship with the elevator in it:
8. 794CC
9. 7AD1B (is where Speedbooster is, right after Phantoon, and is maybe a bit an odd choice for a save room, but it is an option)
Instead of at Speedbooster, one might aswell take this place a bit further ahead again at an elevator:
10. 7962A
11. 79938 (could be used and is at yet another elevator)
But if that one isn't taken, then this one could substitute it with:
12. 7A6E2
My next suggestion would be yet another 1 by 1 room with an elevator (and those rooms are kind of pre-destinated since they usually constitute suitable environments that are small rooms usually without enemies, and introduce the player to the start of a new area):
13. 797B5
Finally there would be 2 more suggestions for the end-game area:
14. 7DDC4 (right before Draygon, a long empty hall)
15. 7D433 (at the bottom of the final area)

[PHOSPHOTiDYL]

Well I got some preliminary data from watching some youtube.

First is dependence on eternisedDragon7's channel.
Good amount of loop points the player would pass through.

[spoiler];//[part 1 of 5]
12:40 elevator room (few rooms sooner)
19:10 elevator room
26:50 existing save room
42:20 wrecked ship (sooner)
47:10 mid wrecked ship

;//[part 2 of 5]
13:00 (no idea)
23:20 (b4 horrible puzzle b4 horrible puzzle)
36:30 (out of norfair)
55:00 (struggle through tourian)
1:01:00 existing save room

;//[part 3 of 5]
49:25 (somewhere deep in norfair)

;//[part 4 of 5]
;//[part 5 of 5]
50:00 (check for existing saves in real tourian)[/spoiler]

Then goldendawn from volusx, since eternisedDragon7 & hoandizi sequence broke.
Although not really, it's just less confusing this way...

[spoiler];//[volusx 123]
1:52

;//[volusx 213]
4:13

;//[volusx 223]
2:41
4:20

;//[volusx 233]
3:10

;//[volusx 31]
5:22

;//[volusx 33]
2:30ish

;//[volusx 53]
4:11ish

;//[volusx 61]
0:11[/spoiler]

Thanks for the goldendawn data though, Aran;Jaeger.
I'll compare to what info I gathered.

Top of my head I decided on the room after draygon.
Probably since I picked a save for the wrecked ship.
It'd be after spore spawn, then having to kill phantoon.

Video showed a pass near that save on the way to draygon.
It is a considerable distance though...

I'll compare the rooms & post back.
Also, I'll do elevator & door bits so the map saves.
There's the cre bug with rooms after kraid as well.

If I'm doing door bits I'll fix those & the save station hi-bytes for unknown as well.
Maybe same check on some other old hacks that could use a minor touch up...

[PHOSPHOTiDYL]

So here's some golden dawn data. Looks like seven well placed saves will suffice.

My decisions were based on not having to edit a single tile, just drop in some save points.
Not a bunch to completely break the difficulty, just barely enough to struggle through.

I marked very close saves with different amounts of asterisks, [**] needs special attention.

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;//[1.]
[7D104]***(first room in tetraruins from darkgardens, available b4/after bombtorizo)

;//[2.]
[7AB8F] (b4/after grapple, but the only time you'd use it...)

;//[3.]
[7B167]*****(unused save, 7B026 is a refill room many rooms b4, 7B035 is a refill two rooms rite)

;//[4.]
[7A7DE]*(available early & after crocomire)

;//[5.]
[7AEDF]***(far left of darkgardens, b4 heading through eternalhall to next save)

;//[6.]
[79AD9]**(end of the very long path in the eternalhall)
[7CA08]**(from last save, long distance, sporespawn, refill in next room b4 phantoon)

;//[7.]
(somewhere in the far east underworld, samus ship would be start, else save point [*] after)
(so closer to the elevator, the better)
(also no save between those would make this a legit hell run)

;//[8.]
[7A471]****(room after draygon)
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;//[1.]
[7A1D8]***(in Brinstar, before Bomb Torizo, at around 2/3 point into the first loop)

;//[2.]
[7B026]*****(a bit early into the Crocomire loop which is the 3rd loop, with the 2nd loop being the loop for Highjump)
[7B305]*****(that refill two rooms rite)

;//[3.]
[79C89]*(missile refill room left of 7A7DE, b4/after crocomire)
[79C35]*(missile pack, also left of 7A7DE)

;//[4.]
[79FE5]**(next room is 79AD9 to the left)
[7968F]**(right before Spore Spawn to which the Crocomire loop continues)
(this would make an extended trip through eternalhall)
[794CC]**(And if this one isn't used, there would be the first room in Wrecked Ship with the elevator in it)

;//[5.]
[7AD1B]**(is where Speedbooster is, right after Phantoon, and is maybe a bit an odd choice for a save room, but it is an option)
(there's a refill very close by, & 7CA0B is next room from that):
[7962A]**(Instead of at Speedbooster, one might aswell take this place a bit further ahead again at an elevator)
(7968F is two rooms away, b4 sporespawn, somewhere between 79AD9 & 7968F seems like the best choice)
(that's after forced damage in the long part of eternalhall, b4 sporespawn, w/refill b4/after phantoon)
[79938]**(could be used and is at yet another elevator)
(this connects to 79AD9, so again somewhere between 79AD9 & 7968F might be best)
[7A6E2]**(But if that one isn't taken, then this one could substitute it with)
(this is the kraid loop, but again all connects to 79AD9)

;//[6.]
[797B5]***(My next suggestion would be yet another 1 by 1 room with an elevator)
  (close to 7AEDF, but different paths)

;//[7.]
[7DDC4]****(right before Draygon, a long empty hall)
[7D433]****(at the bottom of the final area)
   (draygon save is a few rooms away)
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Dependence is next, two well placed save rooms exist already. Will post the data when it's ready.

[PHOSPHOTiDYL]

Here's dependence data. I guess there were three existing save rooms, my bad.

Well there's three additional save locations I gathered.
Nah, it's two for another hell run.

But then maybe one cause mid wreckedship isn't too bad.

But really just zero cause the far left elevator in crateria doesn't really need a patch for it.

I only remembered where the ice beam was, must not have played in a long time.

So maybe pantheon next? I got failsafe code so save stations won't work when the timer is running.
I mean, here's the data anyways, cause why not.

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;//[1.]
[79938] (far left crateria elevator room to brinstar)

;//[2.]
[7A734] (existing save, far rite brinstar, last save was 79938, this area gets passed a lot)

;//[3.]
[7957D] (the crab room mid wreckedship, last save would be 7A734, unless trying for the ship?, it'd be out of the way)

;//[4.]
[7A6A1] (bot brinstar elevator to norfair, b4 varia suit, last save was 79938)
[7A7DE] (next room in norfair)
[7B0DD]*(nvm, existing save three rooms over, also energy refill three from that, which leads to...)
[7AA82] (b4 horrible puzzle b4 horrible puzzle b4 crocomire)

(coming out of norfair near save 4, you can save at 4 b4 kraid, or save 1 cause you loop around brinstar, & loop back to save 4)

;//[5.]
[7D81A] (existing save prototourian, last save may have been 1, kinda far away, but any other saves would be too close...)

;//[6.]
[7AFCE] (b4 elevator to lowest norfair, last closest save would be 1, a bit deeper is 7B236, nice ledge on the rite of the room)
(or it's another hell run, which I don't want to ruin)

(no saves in newtourian, refill room)

[PHOSPHOTiDYL]

Looked into pantheon, one part of brinstar gets hit after a miniboss & three bosses.
Then one in norfair would be good for some late game business.

But my intentions are a public patch, so maybe just a group decision on golden dawn.
Also gives me the idea of finding the jump to the save plm & just disabling them for every hack.
So you can destroy any of your favorite planets if you remember where you parked the ship.

"Yeah, but savestates. Just don't save stupid."

Yeah, but @ 02376B, you can change that 90 B5 to an 8F B5, which is now just a pointer to an rts.

Totally untested gameplay wise, I hope it takes all day just to die an inch from the ship.
It was just for my first upgrade, one damn missile.

That's not mass appeal, nobody likes this game, you're going the wrong way.

^_^

[RealRed]

Eugh. Golden Dawn's gotta be one of the worst fullhacks available... What would save stations possibly change? Are you gonna put one in every room barely visible in the corner of the screen so you can get a semblance of which unmarked wall can be bombed?

[0garrison]

Both hacks are apparently pretty bad, but I'd still like the play them on console without the need for savestates just so I can experience them properly. I appreciate the work in adding in save stations.

[PHOSPHOTiDYL]

All I'm thinking with golden dawn is I just made it through the eternal hall.
There's a nice row of spikes with an e-tank at the end of it.

What poor bastard rolled through that many spikes, & left his last tank of energy there?
Should have saved it & got out, I don't want it now.

I'm not looking to put a save station every other room & take away from the difficulty.
Just a small amount, along with the door & elevator bits so the map saves properly.
Another one I would want to do is mockingbird station.

There's tons of trash hacks that I enjoy playing.
If it's not a vanilla map hack with a few spikes thrown in, I'll enjoy it.

If it's just for me, then consider the patch already done, it's not like that though.
I don't have any flash carts, I get everything on my psp, almost the same controller, no save states.
I also have my superpatch, but that's something I can add to any hack after it's done with development.

The metroid community comes first, the engine was created, the tools were made public.
Dedicated players & hackers who invested their time trying to improve the overall experience.
I don't want to just come in & try to rewrite what is super metroid.

I'm just trying to enhance the core, less nintendo fanboy hype, more hardcore federation tasks.
Not for me, for the the super metroid underground.

I mean it's that or dark souls...

Any room suggestions though, maybe other hacks?
I'll dust off the collection & do some minor improvements.

All those old half hacks need some new elevator bits, your flash cart would do better with a working map.
I don't want to make the decisions, I didn't make the hacks, I got time & experience though.
An hour or two a hack, just making sure everything flows better, you gotta give me some data though.

[PHOSPHOTiDYL]

I'm just gona go for it, I know their not impressive hacks, but I still enjoy them.
Doing a map for mockingbird too, just one discrepancy with a misaligned room connection.
Expect an odd map piece, kinda shaped like a 2.

Idk, they turned me off the first few tries, maybe this will make them more interesting...

[Ri2nOneRok]

Where would I be able to locate this said map for Mocking Bird  :grin:

[Quietus]

You can grab one here (click on 'More' at the bottom), if PHOSPHOTiDYL can't provide one. :^_^: