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[DSO]

The purpose of this thread is basically to figure out what we have to use and what's used,
so we can keep track of stuff and not end up with two people using the same room, for example.

Room IDs
Bosses
Tilesets
BTS blocks
Palette Blends
Banks (For repointing level design)

Room IDs:
The list of original room IDs, used ones will have the name placed next to them.
Just post the ones you want to use and I'll add your name to the list as quickly as possible.

791F8 Grime
792B3 DSO
792FD DSO
793AA Grime
793D5
793FE Grime
79461 Grime
7948C Grime
794CC
794FD DSO
79552 DSO
7957D DSO
795A8 DSO
795D4
795FF
7962A
7965B DSO
7968F
796BA DSO
7975C
797B5
79804
79879
798E2
7990D
79938
79969
79994
799BD
799F9
79A44
79A90
79AD9
79B5B
79B9D
79BC8
79C07
79C35
79C5E
79C89
79CB3
79D19
79D9C
79DC7 DSO
79E11
79E52
79E9F
79F11
79F64
79FBA
79FE5
7A011
7A051
7A07B
7A0A4
7A0D2
7A107
7A130
7A15B
7A184
7A1AD
7A1D8
7A201
7A22A
7A253
7A293
7A2CE
7A2F7
7A322
7A37C
7A3AE
7A3DD
7A408
7A447
7A471
7A4B1
7A4DA
7A521
7A56B
7A59F
7A5ED
7A618
7A641
7A66A
7A6A1
7A6E2
7A70B
7A734
7A75D
7A788
7A7B3
7A7DE
7A815
7A865
7A890
7A8B9
7A8F8
7A923
7A98D
7A9E5
7AA0E FoF
7AA41
7AA82 Fof
7AAB5
7AADE
7AB07
7AB3B FoF
7AB64 FoF
7AB8F
7ABD2
7AC00
7AC2B
7AC5A
7AC83
7ACB3
7ACF0
7AD1B
7AD5E
7ADAD FoF
7ADDE
7AE07
7AE32
7AE74
7AEB4
7AEDF
7AF14
7AF3F
7AF72
7AFA3
7AFCE
7AFFB
7B026
7B051
7B07A
7B0B4
7B0DD
7B106
7B139
7B167
7B192
7B1BB
7B1E5
7B236
7B283
7B2DA
7B305
7B32E
7B37A
7B3A5
7B3E1
7B40A
7B457
7B482
7B4AD
7B4E5
7B510
7B55A
7B585
7B5D5
7B62B
7B656
7B698
7B6C1
7B6EE
7B741

Crys section begin
7C98E
7CA08
7CA52
7CAAE
7CAF6
7CB8B
7CBD5
7CC27
7CC6F
7CCCB
7CD13
7CD5C
7CDA8
7CDF1
7CE40
7CE8A
Crys section end

MM section
7CED2
7CEFB MM
7CF54
7CF80
7CFC9
7D017
7D055
7D08A
7D0B9
7D104
7D13B
7D16D
7D1A3
7D1DD
7D21C
7D252
7D27E
7D2AA
7D2D9
7D30B
7D340
7D387
7D3B6
7D3DF
7D408
7D433
7D461
7D48E
7D4C2
7D4EF
7D51E
7D54D
7D57A
7D5A7
7D5EC
7D617
7D646
7D69A
7D6D0
7D6FD
7D72A
7D765
7D78F
7D7E4
7D81A
7D845
7D86E
7D898
7D8C5
7D913
7D95E
7D9AA
7D9D4
7D9FE
7DA2B
7DA60 MM
End MM section:

7DAAE
7DAE1
7DB31
7DB7D
7DBCD
7DC19
7DC65
7DCB1
7DCFF
7DD2E
7DD58
7DDC4
7DDF3
7DE23
7DE4D
7DE7A
7DEA7
7DEDE
7DF18
7DF45
7DF8D
7DFD7
7E021
7E06B
7E0B5
7E82C




Bosses:
Cause who knows if we'll end up having any custom bosses, we're just putting used ones here for now.
So yeah, post if there's a boss you want to use.
Sporespawn - DSO
Kraid - squishy_ichigo
Crocomire - Crys
Phantoon - Grime


Tilesets:
Same routine as bosses and rooms here.

1 - Grime
2 - Grime
3
4
5 - Crys
6 - Crys
7
8
9
10
11
12 - MM
13 - MM
14
15
16
17
22 - DSO
23 - DSO
24
25
26 - Squishy
27 - Squishy
28 - Crys
29

BTS blocks:
We've only got 15 BTS blocks to play with, and I think we should use 4 for teleportation (Up, down, left, right).
It's possible to change how much to teleport by on a room by room basis with a little work
(Maybe use the BTS value of the upper left most block in the room? 01 = 1 screen, 02 = two screens, etc.)

I also think we should have blocks that do acid like damage and also blocks that heal.
The rest would be left for those who can program them to do special things they want.

0
1
3 - Up
4 - Down
5 - Left
6 - Right
7 - Hurt block
8 - Heal block
9
10
11
12
13
14
15 - DSO



Palette Blends:
The list for custom palette blends by my patch. There's 80-BF, Just post the ones you'll be using.

DSO
82
83

Banks:

E0 - EF reserved for expanded tilesets
F0 - FF level design

DSO
FE
FF

MM
FD

[FullOfFail]

Since I don't think no one claimed any of Norfair I might aswell claim these. I tried to chose ones that would connect too. I'll hold off to chose my tileset.

7ADAD
7AB64
7AB3B
7AA0E
7AA82

[MetroidMst]

All of Maridia. If anyone doesn't have some rooms to work with I'll gladly share, but I don't have all the room IDs in front of me right now and I don't know exactly how much I will be using.

Also put me down for whatever the two Maridian tilesets are. I'll be changing them around alot obviously.

Don't care about bosses.

I'll use whatever BTS blocks I think I want to.

Don't know what to do about palette blends.

And I'll probably use up to 1 bank. I'm counting on using less, more like half, but I am not sure what tiles I'm using yet and what space they'll eat up.

[Webber1900]

If you want, I'll be glad to do some level designing, I don't care what room it is just give me the details and I will try my hardest.

[Crys]

Tileset: 5 and 6

Room IDs: All rooms from the original that is in the WS area + Crocomairs room. ( I might need more rooms later but, whatever)

Bosses: Crocomair. <3

[DSO]

I'm going to need at least 1 custom BG_Data background, what one should I get rid of for it?

[Crys]

It just hit me that I need the tileset used in crocomairs room too. ^^;

[squishy_ichigo]

I'll go ahead an take Tilesets 26 and 27

26 for my desert tileset, and 27 for Kraid.

idk what rooms I'll be using just yet.

edit: 28 is Crocomire's Tileset, which Crys just said he needed. ;P

[JAM]

How big this hack would be? Bigger than original game? I know, it's pretty obvious for many people, but... Do you know that relocating PLMs from bank $8F to another bank allows you almost double amount of the rooms by using free space and space using by PLMs?

If you want to add many extra rooms than anyone must recolate PLMs right now while PLMs are almost unchanged by now. I saw a patch somewhere that moves all PLMs to the bank $E1.


Another problem: bank $8F is using too much different stuff. Door array pointers, scroll arrays, special scrolling data, etc. If someone decide to change default scrolling to custom (0000 or 0001 to custom address at bank $8F), then he must use free space in bank $8F. Another example: room 5*5 is resized to 5*6. Scroll array (if it is not default, i.e., not 0000 or 0001) will grow by 5 bytes. Where should be placed this data? At free space. Every added door will need 2 more bytes in bank $8F and C (12) more bytes in bank $83, etc. Special scrolling data (used by scroll PLMs) is also located in bank $8F.

How to solve this problem? I'm thinking of reserving of free space in bank $8F for every people. For example, 7EB00..7EBFF for Crys, 7EC00..7ECFF for DSO, 7ED00..7EDFF for MetroidMst etc.



Also, what about regular enemies? If 2 different people will add enemies to the room using free space in bank $A1, then they MAY overwrite work of each other in final product.

[Grime]

JAM: I planned on making sure everyone documented each repoint they do to a room, including PLM/enemy set/enemy pop, level data and anything else. Also the low indexes they use for items so we don't have items disappearing when one in another area is collected. Same for door shells.

I also wanted to see about cleaning out the PLMs as you said, and adding new PLMs/enemies to the room as needed by repointing instead of starting with what the game already has in there.

Edit: Also, yeah. I forgot to take scroll data into account. I know when you expand the screen size of a room, some squares appear colored, and some don't appear at all, and that 'making' new scrolls by clicking the empty parts is what overwrites things. I think? Either way, is anybody capable of cleaning out what I mentioned earlier and giving a quick run-down on where to start with new pointers and all? I think it'd be best for all that to be taken care of and everybody building rooms to be on the same page before we start, or there will be many headaches abound.

[JAM]

I've found that patch there:

http://www9.atwiki.jp/catnap222/pages/471.html

It's a japanese site.


All PLMs can be easily repointed using Bank Buddy program by Jathys. You'll need to copy all bank $8F to $E1 and clear unused stuff (rooms, scrolling, etc.) in bank $E1.

According to squishy_ichigo's Data Banks guide, PLMs are located there: 8000-918C
and there: C215-C8C5



All locations of enemies, their speed and orientations are stored in bank $A1. All bank is used only by enemies. 1 enemy = 10 (16) bytes. 1 room = 10 * enemies + 3 (splitter) bytes. Splitter is always "FF FF XX", where XX = enemies to clean room.

In original ROM this bank was filled by 85%. Not much space for repointing. =( If there'll be many new rooms, then you may need to use second bank for enemies. Don't cure, how exactly to do this. I'm working on this, but haven't found a location of code yet.


Enemy DNA's are stored in bank $A0 (in it's second half). Right now only 32 new enemies can be added, if don't touch beta enemies like small Crocomiro, Reflector etc. I guess, enemy DNA's can be repointed to use a full bank. Also, don't sure, how to do this. =(

Or, all subroutines in first half of bank $A0 can be repointed to another bank, but there are too many codes. All refers to this subroutines in another bank should be fixed too. Possible, but long.


Don't forgot about enemies allowed in the room. Bank $B4 is used for this. 4 bytes for each enemy, 2 bytes for separator between rooms. There are a free space to make 4 allowed enemies in 159 (dec) new rooms, but different rooms can use the same pointers for allowed enemies, if there are the same enemies in them.

Also, new FX1 data (if someone create this) is located in bank $83. 16 (10) bytes for each new room using new FX.

I know when you expand the screen size of a room, some squares appear colored, and some don't appear at all, and that 'making' new scrolls by clicking the empty parts is what overwrites things.

Yeah, that's right.

Either way, is anybody capable of cleaning out what I mentioned earlier and giving a quick run-down on where to start with new pointers and all? I think it'd be best for all that to be taken care of and everybody building rooms to be on the same page before we start, or there will be many headaches abound.

7E9A0..7FFFF is free by default. So, you may start from 7EA90. But 2 of my patches (item-related events and day & night cycles [WIP]) are using space at the very end of bank $8F (7FE80..7FFFF). If you want to use them in future, please leave a gap between 7FE80 and 7FFFF.

So, start from 7E9A0. Free space there can be used for door pointers array (adding new door), scroll arrays (when expaning the rooms), special scrolling data (used by scroll PLMs, but not sure, will this be working with bank $8F or with $E1), layer 1_2 information and alternative states for the rooms (if anyone add them)

[P.JBoy]

Aren't you just gonna start with a blank ROM?  All new room headers and what-not?

[squishy_ichigo]

Thats what I would suggest as well... it would be better for everyone if we did.

[P.JBoy]

And for that matter, new areas

[Grime]

We'd need a blank ROM first for that to be possible, and I don't think one exists. Furthermore, everything would need to be documented to the finest detail so nothing slips between the cracks. We'd also need some good how-to documentation for making use of new room IDs and stuff for the people (like me) who have never worked with room headers or anything before.

If we went that route, then wouldn't it be for the better of we made the area maps beforehand so we know just how many rooms we need initially? More rooms could be added throughout the areas after the main routes are done for extra items to flesh things out, like other shortcuts and whatnot.

[GF_Kennon]

And for that matter, new areas

Unless you are going to tell me otherwise the bank that holds the map data does not have any more room in it for new area's, well it has free space, but thats /just/ exactly enough space to insert a map for Debug.

While a cleaned out ROM is desirable, and something i can do in about 5 mins, do you understand how to rebuild everything, and does everyone else for that matter, do they want to learn all this, is the effort required worth it, by all means, ill have a clean ROM for you in a few moments if you want it, but could you replace everything back how you want it? also the fact that a lot of hex work will be done in critical banks, some people start breaking each others work and it could be hard to trace, you could also wait till i finish a small cleanout and rebuild of SM which could be handy here, which is my current project now.

I guess, enemy DNA's can be repointed to use a full bank. Also, don't sure, how to do this. =(

this isnt possible just so you know, they require stuff thats in the same bank.

[Crys]

If we went that route, then wouldn't it be for the better of we made the area maps beforehand so we know just how many rooms we need initially? More rooms could be added throughout the areas after the main routes are done for extra items to flesh things out, like other shortcuts and whatnot.

I know for sure that this would suck for me as I prefer to make areas whatever and then make the map for it. =)

[JAM]

We'd also need some good how-to documentation for making use of new room IDs and stuff for the people (like me) who have never worked with room headers or anything before.

Rolando and I have done so at M2K2 as a part of Moonedit SMILE FAQ. I guess, I should post this as a guide here.

[Cardweaver]

I would offer to help, but I'm not sure I'd be of much use.

Maybe if I was allowed to use someone else's tileset? I'm good at level design, and I know how to repoint most things, but not so much at creating a new tileset.

Let me know if you're interested, and feel free to use DSO as a character-reference. :)

[Grime]

Naw, I've got a decent idea what you're capable of, Card. Using someone else's tileset isn't a problem at all. The more the marrier, as it were. For each person who volunteers to do even just a couple rooms or so, it takes a little bit more of a load off of everybody else.